Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Honour to the Blessed One, the Exalted One, the fully and perfectly Enlightened One


From:Ben Heffer Sent: Tue 26/07/2011 23:54 To: Martin Barua
Dear Martin,
I am trying to find other references to kalala-rupa in the writings. I've only found one reference in Abidhamma in Daily Life by Ashin Janakabhivamsa. Would kalala-rupa be the way wisdom is passed on from one being to another? And is the wisdom of one person passed on in the form of kammic energy? Here are the full set of questions and quote that I am asking about. The Thai monk I was asking is Ajahn Chalee Phumiphak. I would appreciate any answers your monk friends can give you. Here are the questions I had wanted to develop an understanding of various Dhamma questions regarding the nature of kamma, rebirth process and what is passed onto the next form of life. I understand that some or many of these questions may be unanswerable. This is what I understand: Kamma is an action and the results of that kamma only inherited by the doer. However, the energy that is created by the kamma can flow from one being to another and can explain the differences between people and various beings. The Abidhamma specifies that some forms of kamma can last for many beings as the energy is eventually discharged. And then there is the positive kamma which flows from being to being as in the Jataka tales.
1. The Abidhamma talks about jati-panna, inherited wisdom. How does this flow into the next being? Is it a form of energy too that flows as does kamma?
2. Is this form of energy for jati-panna combined with kamma energy at conception?
3. Kalala fluid is described as the way kamma is passed from the unborn child. Has Ajahn ever heard of such a thing before?
Here is a quote from Abidhamma in Daily Life by Ashin Janakabhivamsa:
With the occurrence of patisandhi citta and corresponding cetasikas, there comes into being a minute matter called kalala-rupa in the form of a clear fluid. This matter takes the form of a droplet the size of a drop of oil clinging to the trip of a hair of a damsel from the Northern Continent. This kalala droplet (the very first stage of formulation of foetus) is formed by the kammic forces of past deeds. It is neither semen nor ovule of his parents, they are supporting agents of this kalala.
A kalala droplet is produced by a child's past kamma but parents' semen and ovule are essential supports for pregnancy to take place. The kalala droplet is like the seed; semen and ovule are like the moist sail or swamp; past kamma is like the farmer. Therefore a clean ovary and healthy semen and ovule are essential. Otherwise the foetus cannot develop into a healthy baby. Reptiles, especially iguanas living in red-soil burrows are red and those in block-soil burrows are black. In like manner, a baby inherits the genetic features of parents transmitted through the semen and ovule on which the foetus relies for full development; hence the resemblance between off spring and parent. Even mentalities and character including intelligence can be handed over to the child. These similarities or resemblance are due to genetic transfer during the foetal stage. And another reason is that the child, being brought up in the same family environment, emulates the behaviour, mentality and style of the parents. So good, civilised children are born of worthy and virtuous families while villainous children come from vile and depraved families. Therefore both parents to be of virtuous blood for the child to be worthy one. The kalala droplet which is cultured in pure healthy semen and ovule will produce the best off-spring.
4. One author on the Internet tells me that the Buddha was the one who taught about kalala fluid. Is this also Ajahn’s understanding? And is this how wisdom as well as other traits is passed to the new born?

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From: Rayno Praditya Sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 01:07pm To: Martin Barua
It's said in abhidhamma only a tihetuka puggala can attain jhana. (man with 3 good roots, alobha, adosa and amoha) the dvihetuka puggala only has alobha and adosa...(he doesn't have panna or amoha) how can I identify someone who is a tihetuka puggala?
Can Lesbian and fetishist attain jhanas?
let me know if someone has answered it.
thank you Mr Martin

How can I identify someone who is a tihetuka puggala?
Only oneself can know exactly whether he or she is tihetuka or dvihetuka puggala. Others can only guess. Tihetuka puggalas are intelligent, diligent, thoughtful and knowledgeable. When someone wants to find out exactly whether the person is tihetuka or dvihetuka puggala, he may do so by practicing samatha or vipassanā mediation. If the person can see rupa such as pathavi (earth, hardness or softness), tejo (characteristics of hotness and coldness), Apo (the characteristics of cohesiveness and fluidity), Vayo (element of motion or kinetic energy) and nama such as the nature of impermanent as he concentrates different objects (within or external of the body) during meditation, he knows that he is a tihetuka puggala. He can attain Nibbana at least Sotapanna (stream-enterer) in this very life.
-Ashin Indaka

Three categories of beings, according to the nature of rebirth consciousness.
1. Ahetu-patisandhika
Reborn without root-conditions (alobha, adosa and amoha). Such beings are found in four State of Deprivation (Apaya)
2. Dvihetu-patisandhika
Reborn with only two noble root-conditions (alobha and adosa)
3. Tihetu-patisandhika
Man with three good roots (Alobha (non-attachment), Adosa (Goodwill) and Amoha (wisdom)) are tihetuka puggala. Someone who donate or give away or provide free service with clean heart, without any attachment behind, with understanding of the effect of kamma, has the quality of alobha. Someone who observe at least pañcasīla (five virtues) - not killing, not stealing, abstaining from sexual misconduct, not making false speech and not taking excessive toxic drinks, is not only purifying his own actions but also practicing goodwill toward others and has the quality of adosa. Someone who has the wisdom of understanding (panna) four noble truth, eight noble path, ti-lakkhana (anicca, dukkha and anatta), kamma and samsara has the quality of amoha (wisdom).
Generally speaking, when we observe someone has these qualities, we can assume that this person is a tihetuka puggala. Dvihetuka puggala do not understand or accept four noble truth, eight noble path, ti-lakkhana (anicca, dukkha and anatta), kamma and samsara, even if he or she has heard of it. They usually have strong wrong views (micha- ditthi). This is not saying that someone is superior or inferior. This is how their kamma has given effect on them.
-Martin Barua

Can Lesbian and fetishist attain jhanas?
Lesbian and fetishist are also human like any other human, having abnormal sexual behaviour. Buddhist know the cause of being born as lesbian, fetishist, gays and some women (not all women have same cause that they were born as women), which we are not going to discuss here, to avoid offending those who do not believe in kamma and samsara (endless cycle of existences).
Logically thinking, human, who are puthujjana (not ariya-puggala, ordinary person), including lesbian, fetishist, gays and women, when observe virtues (sila), can gain mindfulness (sati), leading to concentration (samadhi). When samadhi is gained and maintained continuously for long period of time, absorption on the object on which the person is aiming at can be achieved. That is jhana. Therefore, we can draw conclusion that lesbian and fetishist can also attain jhanas, as long as they refrain from abnormal sexual behaviour or sexual misconduct.
-Martin Barua

From: Rayno Praditya Sent: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 9:42 AM To: Martin Barua
Thank you Mr Martin
Your answers and Ashin Indaka are very helpful.
I have another questions again:
If someone when practicing samatha, he can attain parikamma-nimitta in the beginning of his meditation (using breath as object), then Is he a tihetuka puggala? If someone can understand the dhamma book easily then is he a tihetuka puggala?
If someone destroy the Buddha statues and dhamma books (with hatred), is it a heavy bad kamma? how to fix it? by doing the sangha dana as many as possible? will he go to hell after his death? But Angulimala wanted to kill Buddha before but he was able to attain arahantship in the story.
thank you Mr Martin
thank you Mr Martin

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